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Slasher's Guide to Gay Sex

 

When I entered fandom and learned the word slash I was very much surprised that girls were writing it. Lots and lots of it. And for writing it, I want to say: thank you!

 

But in describing relationships/sex scenes between guys my dear female co-fandomers make some mistakes. Well, if it were not so, I would have been even more surprised.

 

This post is meant to help female slashers in writing gay sex.

 

This post reflects no more than my most humble opinion, and it’s completely up to you whether to listen to me or not. But I think that hearing me out won’t hurt fandom in any way.

 

Also I think that it’s much more helpful to hear one gay man’s account on what gay sex is rather than a bunch of statistics. Remember that statistics has potential to prove whatever you want it to. As Nietzsche said, ‘Truth is a kind of misunderstanding that is used for gaining power.’

 

Please note that this post is an edited version of all of my previous posts.

 

 

 

Slasher’s Guide to Gay Sex:

one gay man’s perspective

 

 

WARNING:

If you are underage, please, go and have underage fun.

You are welcome to return to this post when you are of age.

 

 

 

From fic to fic I see one and the same mistake. I call it Fucking Probing Fingers. One, two, and then three fingers, scissoring motions, etc. are mentioned almost in every smutfic, which, by the way, doesn’t make the whole idea any less wrong. Why? Bottom should be prepared for anal sex in the following three cases: (a) he is having anal sex for the first time, (b) he is going to take a huge cock in, and (c) he’s had a long break.

 

In all other cases the act of preparation, at the very least, shouldn’t be thorough. And if the bottom finds uses for his hole at least a few times a week, he requires NO preparation. So, when I read about guys who shag like bunnies, but go through with all those probing fingers (and it’s not a part of foreplay!) – I start wondering whether bottom has some kind of shrinking disease.

 

You know, it’s quite a compliment to be told, ‘You are so tight!’ Virgins are tight. And, in case with sluts and guys who have sex several times a day – well, their holes are wide open for men of any size. Literally. Disgusting, isn’t it? So, if bottom has sex a few times a week, he doesn’t need probing with fingers (unless it’s a part of prelude), and he needs only a bit of lube for better sliding (it’s quite enough to apply lube only on top’s cock).

 

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Pain. Yes, fucking has a potential to be painful. If the guy on top is huge, bottom is inexperienced, there was no preparation and top is brutal – it surely will be VERY painful for bottom.

 

I remember my first time as bottom. The guy was more than average-sized. He spent ten seconds on preparing me. Then he went slowly. There was pain. However, it wasn’t blinding or white-hot or worse than Cruciatus or whatever. It was bearable, though I am quite sensitive to pain. And it receded quickly. So, even if the guys are fucking for the first time, but go through with all the preparation, there might be no pain at all. The feeling of a cock filling you for the first time is, to put it in one word, new.

 

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I frequently meet the following situation: there are two guys – Top and Bottom. They are going to fuck. But, in order to be fair, Top, before fucking, sucks Bottom off. Then they fuck. Stop for a moment and think. Do you find the situation possible?

 

Well, yes, it’s possible, if Bottom is 15 years old, painfully hypersexual or a masochist.

 

If Bottom isn’t any of the aforementioned things then, that fucking is going to be quite a painful experience. Why? Because after you’ve just come, you have no desire to have sex. If you are romantic, you’ll like to have a post-coital cuddling. If you are not, you’ll like to have a shower. Some time should pass between having an orgasm and wanting to fuck again.

 

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A man can have two types of orgasms – when he penetrates and when he is penetrated. These two types are quite different. Prostate enables a man to have an orgasm when he is penetrated.

 

The prostate (like penis) is erectile tissue. Until it fills with blood, it isn't especially sensitive (so, a man doesn’t feel pleasure shooting through his body the moment you touch his prostate). Once it's aroused (it actually gets hard), prostate stimulation is very pleasurable (females who’ve had G-spot orgasm would know exactly what it feels like).

 

The normal prostate is about the size and shape of a walnut, and is located at the base of the bladder. It's located about 3 inches (7.6 cm) inside the rectum. For most men, the index finger is barely long enough to reach the prostate; the middle finger is just about the perfect length for prostate massage. The prostate should have the consistency of a medium-firm rubber ball.

 

By the way, you can mix a blowjob and prostate stimulation (it’ll make a very good foreplay before hard and fast fucking).

 

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Do not be terribly surprised if you find out that lots of guys think that such things as hand job, blowjob, rim job, etc. are no more than a prelude for sex. Most importantly, for many guys (including myself and majority of my friends/former boyfriends/fuck buddies), aforementioned things generally cannot be intense enough to come properly – that’s why those things are often regarded as child’s play or a wank. I, personally, fail to see any difference between a French kiss and oral sex.

 

However, there are guys (and girls) who think that fucking is not important. I heard a figure that 20% of gay men do not fuck. I also heard a figure that 50% of gay men do not fuck (which seems utterly unbelievable). Well, they are free to continue not to fuck – I cannot care less. For me, fucking is extremely important. I can’t imagine doing all the stuff aside from fucking with a guy and be satisfied with it. That would be a nightmare!!! (Oh, keep kissing me like that, babe, I think I am coming! Oh… I’ve come. Sorry, for sarcasm.)

 

Why some gay men do not fuck? I do not know, but I can take a guess. They could be scared. They could have been horribly hurt their first time. They could have some prejudices that fucking is unhygienic or that it’s unnatural (imagine that!) or whatever. (I would love to hear your opinion as to why some gay men do not fuck.)

 

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Bottoms use enemas, but I doubt that someone is being so disgusting as to actually talk about it. Some things are better left unsaid, unless your fic is meant to be disgusting. (If you very much want to shock your readers you can make an ‘accident’. Sorry for being ambiguous, but I can’t actually spell it out.)

 

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Please note that anal sex, sensations and orgasms are quite different for top and bottom. I’ll try to describe them.

 

When the thrusting begins, bottom should summon all the self-control he has to build up pleasure. It may take quite a while (depends on the intensity of fucking) but he should hold himself together until the prickling sensation appears (it should be on the verge of pain/pleasure) and then, when he cannot hold any longer (you know, it’s quite a challenge), he should touch himself (or let top touch him, though, top has other matters to see to; also there is a risk that top’s interference may ruin the built up pleasure) and… be lost and found or scream first love’s name or see black or see red or see white or whatever. Sorry for sarcasm (again!), but really, when you are having a powerful orgasm (a kind of orgasm that makes sex worth having) – I’ll say an extremely sappy thing now – it’s beyond words. (One of my friends says, ‘I have the feeling a lot of writers not only are inexperienced with male on male sex, they basically haven't been sexual with anyone.’)

 

Top should hold himself together until bottom is ready to come and then come together with bottom (which is not so hard to achieve) OR come first and then help bottom come.

 

If bottom comes first, it’d mean that the fucking is quite over, because it’ll become a torture for bottom.

 

Remember, it’s crucial to hit prostate. Ideal thrusting – the head of top’s cock hits prostate on the way in and on the way out. There is no need for balls-deep thrusts – in fact, they may be quite uncomfortable for bottom. Average cock is about 6” (15 cm) in length (by the way, in your future porn fics – don’t forget to mention the size of cock and don’t forget that girth is more important than length; overall, the best word to describe one’s cock is thick) and prostate is about 3” (7 cm) inside the rectum. I am sure you can calculate the rest!

 

So, what top feels? Top’s sensations aren’t any different from those of a straight man penetrating a woman – most of the sensation is centred in his cock. I, personally, also feel the lack of prostate stimulation. Oh, and by the way, when orgasm hits top, he actually feels the pleasure shooting through his cock. Very interesting sensation.

 

I should also add one peculiar detail. After a powerful orgasm, both top and bottom may be shuddering and gasping for a while.

 

~*~

 

It’s my belief that it’s better to have one powerful orgasm after a long fuck than a few less powerful ones in the same time. I also believe that the longer you deny yourself the release, the more powerful it will be.

 

So, how would we name a guy with no self-restraint?

 

Fast Cummer

 

Boy-Who-Comes-Before-You-Can-Feel-Anything-Aside-From-Little-Annoyance

 

Swift Guy

 

Easily Exploding Dude

 

Anything else?

 

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Teenage boys cannot have normal sex (in adult understanding). They have too much hormones and too little self-control. Of course, clumsy things they are doing (and calling them ‘sex’) are much more pleasurable than a lone wank over a porn magazine.

 

Writing about teenage boys is, of course, sweet. At that age they have so many confused feelings, so many emotions! They can jump off the roof because of love, for fuck’s sake! (If you are interested in all sorts of emotions teenagers feel, read Draco Veritas. Cassie surely researched topic quite thoroughly. The book she’s getting published now is also about teenagers.)

 

Where was I? Writing about teenage boys is sweet because they can love in the sappiest way imaginable, but they simply cannot black out from the sheer power of orgasm. What they will have, I’d call clumsy cuddling. But, it’ll be mind-blowing from their perspective and if they do black out, it’d be from intensity of what they feel towards each other.

 

I’ll quote Penguin (from Of Snow And Dark Water). Read with extreme attention: ‘He knew he wouldn’t last long this time, either. […] It hadn’t been perfect last night, and yet it had. There had been so much tension to relieve, pent-up emotions and expectations, and they had both been very nervous. It had been intense, feverish and desperate, and over much too quickly. But god, it had been perfect – it had been all they’d wanted and needed just then.

 

Teenagers can’t have technically great sex, but their sex can be great emotionally, and your task as a writer, to show that.

 

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Many gay men keep to ‘tops’ and ‘bottoms’ even outside the bedroom.

 

Top/bottom relationship shouldn’t be mixed with either dom/sub or boy/girl relationships. While dom/sub is always top/bottom, top/bottom is rarely sub/dom. And, apparently, boy/girl is always top/bottom, but when we say ‘top/bottom’ we rarely (if ever) mean boy/girl.

 

My vast fan fiction-reading experience tells me that female slashers either do not keep their characters to tops and bottoms (which is, by the way, quite all right) or make top/bottom look exactly like sub/dom or boy/girl or both (however unlikely, it could be the case).

 

You know, that’s completely anti-feminist thing to mix top/bottom, sub/dom and boy/girl. (How many feminists are actually doing this? They forget that to say, ‘Girl, from this moment on, you are a boy’ isn’t the same as to write a male character.) You see, to divide people into those who are penetrated and those who penetrate and then make the latter in charge of the former… How is it any different from patriarchal societies where a man is a woman’s owner??? (I do not mind feminists or anti-feminists or sexists or whoever – I think people are free to have their opinions. Sometimes it’s illegal or simply stupid to voice such opinions but it’s not illegal or stupid to have them.)

 

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Even if a guy is convinced bottom, looks a lot like a girl, behaves in obviously very gay manner – he is still a guy.

 

Yes, gay men generally care more about their appearance (maybe average convinced bottom care more than an average girl) than straight men but that doesn’t make them (us) less masculine or more girly. (Some straight men, for example, have complexes against using cosmetics because they think it would make them girly. Or the idea of using cosmetics simply wouldn’t come to their straight minds.)

 

When you are writing a male character, you shouldn’t forget to mention some masculine traits – they can be small things – at least shaving or hairy hands/legs/chest or doing something that requires a lot of physical strength. Just don’t focus on them!!! That would look artificial.

 

When you write about a straight man having second thoughts (which is very interesting topic and there aren’t many good fics about it) you shouldn’t focus only on sexual attraction, because it’s kind of simple (though it works). I don’t know, maybe I hate the idea of being driven to someone only because of sex – he is so sexy I can’t think straight – is it interesting??? In my opinion, it’s kind of disgusting – as if a person is not a person but an animal! Think of something a bit more… sophisticated or subtextual. Don’t reduce men to mindless animals with hormones instead of brains. Remember, simplification is the shortest way to stupidity.

 

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Try to encourage people to give you constructive criticism. If you’re not properly criticised, you’ll never get better at writing. Get as many different beta-readers as humanly possible. Different betas would see your fic from different points of view, which may result in making your fic more abstract, more literature-like. Make sure you have a gay man beta.

 

Some slashers say that they are writing their fics for women and thus have no need to be ‘correct’. Well, they are free to continue doing so, but… what for? To get reviews? I am writing this guide for those who actually want to get better at writing slash.

 

~*~

 

Michael Serpent was a brilliant man. Read his Golden Snitch – it may give you all the answers to gay stuff you’ll ever need.

 

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For those who really want to understand the whole top/bottom thingy I’d recommend Brokeback Mountain – it may be not one of the best movies I’ve seen but it actually shows manly top and manly bottom.

 

Do you remember that scene in the tent? It was so hot, so passionate! With the touch of brutality. In other words, it was, you know, manly.

 

I watched Brokeback with my friend and I remember how she asked me in shocked whisper (referring to the scene in the tent), ‘Just like that?’ And I said, ‘Um, sort of- yeah, just like that. Did you expect roses and serenades?’ She was officially freaked out, but in the end she loved the movie more than I did. What I am trying to say is: if you don’t convince a reader that the guys are truly in love, then don’t make them do sappy things (it’ll look girly). (Unless, of course, you want your guys to be girly.)

 

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I hate fluffy stories about sappy gits! In literature, fluff and sappiness and love must be justified by something. More often than not this something is angst. If you are trying to become a good writer, then don’t forget that you MUST PROVE EVERYTHING – every action, every phrase, every single word. That’s the way literature works. JK Rowling’s Harry Potter series is extremely entertaining… light-reading. Not literature.

 

Quote from Cassie Claire’s review of Order of the Phoenix: ‘Sirius’ death seemed so meaningless, so pointless, so undeserved – and yes, good people do die in this world, that’s a fact, and good deeds and love are not always rewarded and blah blah English Lit 101. But tell me you wouldn't feel disappointed if we opened book 6 with Harry accidentally being killed by a falling pot of begonias, forcing Neville to bravely carry on subsequently. Tell me you wouldn’t feel it was poor writing. Yes, it gets across the message that life is filled with unforeseen consequences, and that death comes to the deserving and the undeserving alike. Any of us could be run over by a bus at any moment. I am just not sure that this is a message that is particularly novel, interesting, or worth reading about.’ That’s so true.

 

There are many literary ways to prove your point and you’re more than welcome to invent your own ways of proving something. Remember that literature is much more about how something is written rather than what is written. That’s why it doesn’t really matter whose words you are using to prove your point. (Sorry for being ambiguous.)

 

~*~

 

Would it sound normal to you if people were having the following dialogue (partly stolen from Titanic):

 

‘You’re the best thing ever happened to me… and I am thankful for that, Rose.’

‘I love you, Jack.’

‘And I love the way you suck me off, babe.’

 

Please, don’t mix different styles, unless you want to show some sort of conflict. (It may turn out quite tricky to do so.)

 

Do not mix declarations of undying love with thorough descriptions of thick throbbing cocks. If you are writing a romantic story, change ‘dick’ to ‘hardness’, ‘wet hole’ to ‘entrance’, etc. – it’ll sound much better.

 

Write beautifully about beautiful things.

 

~*~

 

If you are writing a novel-length fic, main focus of which isn’t on sex, try not to include very hot stuff in the fic itself. In my opinion, it’s better to write pornish or erotic one-shots set in your fic’s universe. This way your readers won’t be distracted from the main plot, and if they feel like wanking reading hot stuff, they’ll read one-shots.

 

 

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Please note that there are practical parts of Slasher’s Guide to Gay Sex where I analysed different gay sex scenes (Practical Lesson #1, Practical Lesson #2 and Practical Lesson #3).

 

 

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This post will stay open for anyone who is interested in it. You are free to link to it – I am only asking you to inform me where you mentioned this post or me. Thank you.

 

 

Have a question? Ask!


 

Check out my critique on Minotaur’s guide for slash writers.

 


 

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Could you please friend me? I very much want to read the friends-locked entries about Practical Lessons. I have friended you.
Could You please friend me? I would like to read Your friends-locked posts about Practical Lessons.I have friended You.
*friends* :)
Thank you for the useful info. <3
I'm still learning about gay sex and any tips and help are greatly appreciated. I would love to read your "Slasher’s Guide to Gay Sex", so if you wouldn't mind, I would like to friend you (also for the future helpful info you might write).

I would like to have my sex scene analyzed by you in the future, but first I have to rewrite the ones I have written so far, because I have already noticed a few mistakes after reading this post.
Thank *you* :) You're more than welcome to friend me :)
Hey! Thank you, this was really interesting.

So, should bottom get sucked off before the sex or not?
And why do bottoms use enemas?
No, bottoms shouldn't get sucked off, but they could be just sucked :)
Bottoms use enemas to clean themselves for obvious reasons *winks*
This is completely brilliant! May I friend you (and would you friend me?) Thank you!
Hey! Thanks! :)

I'd love to friend you, but I am afraid I friended you a couple of months ago :)

shezan

10 years ago

faithfulreader

10 years ago

Okay, I admit it, I want to write better. Since I am a woman and have no experience in gay male sex, I would like to read your "practical lessons". Please friend me back.

BTW-I've already learned a lot and I agree with you that a story should be plotty or porny, but not both. The porn just doesnt seem to fit in a really plotty story. I have trouble writing them together.
*friends* :)

Thanks!
Thanks for the guide! I have read something analogous on the net (lost that link some time ago) and can't be thankful enough that those of us who have not nor will experience the joys of manly gay sex have been slightly educated to realistically assess the fiction we read or write. My personal pet peeve is fiction about characters who bleed copious amounts of blood to ease fucking and enjoy it tremendously. I'm certain you have run into such stuff -_- Nice to find someone who shares my opinion on fluff by the way :)

Could you friend me back so that I could eye your practical lessons please?
*friends* :)
Random question! Whenever a prostate is hit, maybe unexpectedly or for the first time in awhile, is your vision effected at all? Aka, stop seeing or something?

I'm just rereading over my only gay sex scene that I have done for HP fandom (the reason I don't write them is reason why you wrote this guide, lol), and while it's pretty off in some parts, this was one part of the scene that I was wondering about that wasn't addressed in this article. I'm curious to know!

Thank you very much for writing this, btw!
No, vision isn't affected in this case. It may be, though, during a powerful orgasm :)
Teenagers can’t have technically great sex, but their sex can be great emotionally, and your task as a writer, to show that.

that's awesome. I'm going to drag that along to my WIP, now.
Do give me the link :) I love such stories :)

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You read too much wank :) It may be bad for your health :)
Hello. I wrote in one of your previous posts (now flocked) that I was going to send you an extract for concrit. That was a while ago now, and I thought I'd come and check on you . ;p

I see you're still requesting takers for your special offer - but I'm interested in your thoughts/response to what I sent, and am wondering how long I'll be waiting. Yes, I am the impatient type. It's one of my many non-virtues.

I friended you, btw.
I'll post my analysis of your scene, hopefully, on the next week

spae

10 years ago

faithfulreader

10 years ago

spae

10 years ago

faithfulreader

10 years ago

Heya, can you friend me so I can read the friends locked?

It's all educational, due to the fact all my gaysex stuff is based on what other people have writen. And a very good point about the porn oneshots. :mutters about Laurel K Hamilton:
of course I can :)

aqua_eyes

10 years ago

faithfulreader

10 years ago

"If you are writing a novel-length fic, main focus of which isn’t on sex, try not to include very hot stuff in the fic itself."

I was wondering if this would apply to "Mind Fuck" which is an incredible series of novels, novelettes and short stories that I found. It's not fanfiction, but I think the quality of the writing warrants at least one read. Would you like the link, or have you read it already?
I'd love the link :) 'Mind Fuck' is a very good title, very promising :)

amnell_kahlan

10 years ago

duskpeterson

10 years ago

faithfulreader

10 years ago

duskpeterson

10 years ago

May I be added to your f-list? I've just gotten back into fandom as a whole (after writing some really rotten stuff back in my youth), and the smut tips certainly will be of help!
of course :)

jencendiary

10 years ago

Interesting post! Unfortunately many women who write slash have no personal experience with anal sex and so believe everything they've found on Minotaur's site like it's some sort of bible. When I mentioned somewhere that I've had a lot of anal sex without ever having been prepared and wouldn't know lube if it bit me in the ass, I was told I was lying and should STFU. shrugs But, as you see above, some of them have so little experience and imagination that they would not even know about enemas...

BTW, where did your post in the mannazone go to? I hadn't finished reading it (and all the comments) and now I can't find it again?
Thanks! :)

Manna made it clear that I am not welcome, so I deleted my posts and left the community

intheyear2004

10 years ago

faithfulreader

10 years ago

intheyear2004

10 years ago

faithfulreader

10 years ago

"While dom/sub is always top/bottom"

Actually, no, it isn't always.

I think the problem that we're having here is terminology. The terms "top" and "bottom" mean three different things in the vanilla and BDSM/leather worlds. If we don't get our terminology straight, there's going to be a world of confusion.

In the vanilla world, "top" means penetrator. In the leather and BDSM worlds, "top" can mean penetrator. More likely it means "the person who's in charge of the scene."

That isn't necessarily the dominant. A master I know is quite firm about the fact that there's a difference between being an SM top and being a master. He has bottomed in SM; he has never been a leatherboy or a slave.

Then you get into the complexity of the vanilla and BDSM meanings of the word clashing. There's an old tradition of SM tops never bottoming in the vanilla sense of the word when they were topping in the SM sense of the word. (That is, if they were in charge of the scene, they wouldn't allow themselves to be penetrated.) As far as I can tell from looking at the literature, this "rule" has been violated as long as leather has existed, especially where oral sex is concerned.

So you end up having three different quotients which aren't necessarily going to stack up neatly:

* penetrator/penetratee
* sadist/masochist
* dominant/submissive

"You see, to divide people into those who are penetrated and those who penetrate and then make the latter in charge of the former"

Actually, I see this being done in gay porn a lot more than I see it being done in slash. Most of the slash BDSM series I've read have a scene where the BDSM top is penetrated by his bottom. That is much less likely to occur in the gay porn I've read. In fact, it was in gay porn that I first ran across the idea that the penetrator must be the dominant person in the couple, which, to this day, I find hysterically funny.

"What I am trying to say is: if you don't convince a reader that the guys are truly in love, then don't make them do sappy things (it'll look girly)."

You must have been reading a whole string of bad slash. :) I share your desire to see more masculine characters in slash, but I'd make a couple of cautions.

1) Not every gay guy fits the oh-so-masculine image, so requiring every male character to fit that is as bad as having all the gay guys act girly.

2) What is "girly" depends very much on period. If somebody is writing a medieval historical slash story, the stiff-upper-lip male character is going to look anachronistic. A guy from that period would most likely be letting his feelings all hang out. (The post-Victorian period is very odd in that respect. Men have departed from several centuries' worth of typical male behavior and relabelled that typical male behavior as female behavior.) That's why female slashers tend to do well in portraying male characters from the past - and gay porn writers tend to be horribly anachronistic. With contemporary-setting writings, as you've noted, gay porn tends to be more authentic in depicting males.
WOW! *mouth hanging open* Thanks!

You must have been reading a whole string of bad slash

As one of my friends say, ‘it sucks to be a Harry Potter fan’ :)

duskpeterson

10 years ago

faithfulreader

10 years ago

You make some very good points here and I already know some things I'm going to change in my writing to make it more realistic. I'd like to be friended please so I can read the Practical Lessons and learn more. I'm afraid I've been unduly influenced by copius amounts of fan fiction and have been "preparing" the hell out of my guys in my Lost fan fics. I have friended you.
*friends*

Can I ask how did you find the guide?

What do you ship in LOST? :) Can you rec me some VERY good Jack/Sawyer fics? Or Jack/Sawyer/freckles? The more angst, the better! Thanks! :)
Thank you for this guide! It's really interesting. And quite useful, I must say. ^o^
I'd like to read the practical lessons. Could you please friend me back?
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Can I ask where did you find the guide? :)

darshion

10 years ago

Hi there.

Please friend me as I found this article very entertaining and informative, and I'd like very much to read your Practical Lessons.

Thanks!
*friends*

Thank you! Can I ask how did you find the guide? :)

bobbie_watson

10 years ago

As always thanks for the great tip. Putting them into practice as I write.
I'm glad. :)
this was very helpful, thank you.

and could i friend you so i can read the practical lessons?
Of course you can! There's also 'FSR vs. Minotaur' post somewhere! :)
Friend me, please! I would much enjoy the viewing of your lessons of pracitcallity! (giggles insanely)

... also, I want to ask a question, but I don't want to ask it in a review...
You can email me. And, as I said, I'd friend you back.
There's so much I don't know... Teach me, o wise guru! -^_~
Thanks! :)

Can I ask you where did you find the link to my guide?

*friends*

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okoge_riba

9 years ago

yus. please friend me back. :)
*friends back*

Can I ask you how you found me?

jadecristal

9 years ago

Hey, will you please friend me back? I'm interested in reading the practical lessons. And I'd like to say that this is very helpful. It's always nice to have more than one opinion on something.
Of course!

*friends back*

Can I ask how you have found me?

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